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 Post subject: L^1 versus level set measure
PostPosted: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 23:36:48 UTC 
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I'm asked to show, for a positive, measurable function f, that f is of class L^1(\Omega)--where (\Omega, \Sigma,\mu) is a finite measure space-- is equivalent to [tex$\sum_{n=0}^\infty\mu(\{f\ge n\})<\infty[/tex]. However, I don't know if I believe this. I know by construction of the approximation to f by simple functions that f\in L^1 implies \mu(\{f\ge n\})=o({1\over n}) as n\to\infty, but I don't know how to conclude that the decay is fast enough for the measure sum to go to 0. Then again, I didn't use the assumption that \mu(\Omega)<\infty yet, so I'm certain that if it's true it's that hypothesis that I am not using effectively, since the simple function approximation is where I use the assumption f>0.

Some ideas: it is evident that for f NOT to be in L^1, I require that f be unbounded on \Omega by finiteness of \mu(\Omega). At the same time, I can WLOG assume f<\infty off a set of measure 0, since otherwise it's clear that f\not\in L^1(\Omega).

I'd like to write $g_n=\sum_{k=1}^{n2^n} {k-1\over 2^n}1_{\{(k-1)2^{-n}\le f<k2^{-n}\}}+n1_{\{f\ge n\}} and h_n=g_n+1_{\{f\ge n\}}

so that I can write the sum of the measures of the set as $\int h_n-g_n and use some kind of convergence theorem to conclude the integral converges iff f\in L^1(\Omega), which seems like it would be the LDCT, but I cannot see what the dominating function ought to be. . . perhaps 2f or something like that? And I'm still not seeing how to use \mu(\Omega)<\infty, that's definitely a flaw.

Any help appreciated.

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 Post subject: Re: L^1 versus level set measure
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I'm asked to show, for a positive, measurable function f, that f is of class L^1(\Omega)--where (\Omega, \Sigma,\mu) is a finite measure space-- is equivalent to [tex$\sum_{n=0}^\infty\mu(\{f\ge n\})<\infty[/tex]. However, I don't know if I believe this. I know by construction of the approximation to f by simple functions that f\in L^1 implies \mu(\{f\ge n\})=o({1\over n}) as n\to\infty, but I don't know how to conclude that the decay is fast enough for the measure sum to go to 0. Then again, I didn't use the assumption that \mu(\Omega)<\infty yet, so I'm certain that if it's true it's that hypothesis that I am not using effectively, since the simple function approximation is where I use the assumption f>0.

Some ideas: it is evident that for f NOT to be in L^1, I require that f be unbounded on \Omega by finiteness of \mu(\Omega). At the same time, I can WLOG assume f<\infty off a set of measure 0, since otherwise it's clear that f\not\in L^1(\Omega).

I'd like to write $g_n=\sum_{k=1}^{n2^n} {k-1\over 2^n}1_{\{(k-1)2^{-n}\le f<k2^{-n}\}}+n1_{\{f\ge n\}} and h_n=g_n+1_{\{f\ge n\}}

so that I can write the sum of the measures of the set as $\int h_n-g_n and use some kind of convergence theorem to conclude the integral converges iff f\in L^1(\Omega), which seems like it would be the LDCT, but I cannot see what the dominating function ought to be. . . perhaps 2f or something like that? And I'm still not seeing how to use \mu(\Omega)<\infty, that's definitely a flaw.

Any help appreciated.


Dominate your f by \lim_{\epsilon\downarrow 0}\lceil f+\epsilon\rceil=1+\lfloor f\rfloor, and of course f dominates \lfloor f\rfloor

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\begin{aligned}
Spin(1)&=O(1)=\mathbb{Z}/2&\quad&\text{and}\\
Spin(2)&=U(1)=SO(2)&&\text{are obvious}\\
Spin(3)&=Sp(1)=SU(2)&&\text{by }q\mapsto(\mathop{\mathrm{Im}}\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto qp\bar{q})\\
Spin(4)&=Sp(1)\times Sp(1)&&\text{by }(q_1,q_2)\mapsto(\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto q_1p\bar{q_2})\\
Spin(5)&=Sp(2)&&\text{by }\mathbb{HP}^1\cong S^4_{round}\hookrightarrow\mathbb{R}^5\\
Spin(6)&=SU(4)&&\text{by the irrep }\Lambda_+\mathbb{C}^4
\end{aligned}


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 Post subject: Re: L^1 versus level set measure
PostPosted: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 06:06:41 UTC 
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I think I understand, when I integrate that step I get exactly my sum, and the integral of 1+f is easy to calculate, and this gives me one direction, Perhaps I do the ceiling function to get the other bound, since I think that is just a shifted sum?

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 Post subject: Re: L^1 versus level set measure
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I think I understand, when I integrate that step I get exactly my sum, and the integral of 1+f is easy to calculate, and this gives me one direction, Perhaps I do the ceiling function to get the other bound, since I think that is just a shifted sum?


Essentially, the step and step+1 giving you control over f from below and above, which you use to get the lower and upper bounds on the integral of f --- the sum and sum+|mu|.

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\begin{aligned}
Spin(1)&=O(1)=\mathbb{Z}/2&\quad&\text{and}\\
Spin(2)&=U(1)=SO(2)&&\text{are obvious}\\
Spin(3)&=Sp(1)=SU(2)&&\text{by }q\mapsto(\mathop{\mathrm{Im}}\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto qp\bar{q})\\
Spin(4)&=Sp(1)\times Sp(1)&&\text{by }(q_1,q_2)\mapsto(\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto q_1p\bar{q_2})\\
Spin(5)&=Sp(2)&&\text{by }\mathbb{HP}^1\cong S^4_{round}\hookrightarrow\mathbb{R}^5\\
Spin(6)&=SU(4)&&\text{by the irrep }\Lambda_+\mathbb{C}^4
\end{aligned}


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 Post subject: Re: L^1 versus level set measure
PostPosted: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 08:07:15 UTC 
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I think I understand, when I integrate that step I get exactly my sum, and the integral of 1+f is easy to calculate, and this gives me one direction, Perhaps I do the ceiling function to get the other bound, since I think that is just a shifted sum?


Essentially, the step and step+1 giving you control over f from below and above, which you use to get the lower and upper bounds on the integral of f --- the sum and sum+|mu|.


Ah wait a second though, the integral of $\lfloor f\rfloor\, is the sum of n\mu(\{n\le f<n+1\}), so I think I still don't see how this relates, because it's not the full set of f\ge n and if it were, then it the sum in question would be $\sum n\mu(\{f\ge n\}) which is not (obviously) equivalent to the convergence of the sum $\sum \mu(\{f\ge n\}), although one direction is trivial.

Edit: \mu(\{n\le f <n+1\}), not \mu(\{n\le f <n\})

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 Post subject: Re: L^1 versus level set measure
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outermeasure wrote:
Shadow wrote:
I think I understand, when I integrate that step I get exactly my sum, and the integral of 1+f is easy to calculate, and this gives me one direction, Perhaps I do the ceiling function to get the other bound, since I think that is just a shifted sum?


Essentially, the step and step+1 giving you control over f from below and above, which you use to get the lower and upper bounds on the integral of f --- the sum and sum+|mu|.


Ah wait a second though, the integral of $\lfloor f\rfloor\, is the sum of n\mu(\{n\le f<n\}), so I think I still don't see how this relates, because it's not the full set of f\ge n and if it were, then it the sum in question would be $\sum n\mu(\{f\ge n\}) which is not (obviously) equivalent to the convergence of the sum $\sum \mu(\{f\ge n\}), although one direction is trivial.


Oops, I thought the sum was from n=1. The effect of starting at n=0 is that it is the integral of 1+\lfloor f\rfloor instead.

\begin{aligned}
\sum_{n=0}^\infty \mu\{f\geq n\}
&=\sum_{n=0}^\infty\sum_{r=n}^\infty\mu\{r\leq f<r+1\}\\
&=\sum_{r=0}^\infty\sum_{n=0}^r \mu\{r\leq f<r+1\}\\
&=\sum_{r=0}^\infty (r+1)\mu\{\lfloor f\rfloor=r\}
\end{aligned}

Edit: Correct typo.

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\begin{aligned}
Spin(1)&=O(1)=\mathbb{Z}/2&\quad&\text{and}\\
Spin(2)&=U(1)=SO(2)&&\text{are obvious}\\
Spin(3)&=Sp(1)=SU(2)&&\text{by }q\mapsto(\mathop{\mathrm{Im}}\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto qp\bar{q})\\
Spin(4)&=Sp(1)\times Sp(1)&&\text{by }(q_1,q_2)\mapsto(\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto q_1p\bar{q_2})\\
Spin(5)&=Sp(2)&&\text{by }\mathbb{HP}^1\cong S^4_{round}\hookrightarrow\mathbb{R}^5\\
Spin(6)&=SU(4)&&\text{by the irrep }\Lambda_+\mathbb{C}^4
\end{aligned}


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 Post subject: Re: L^1 versus level set measure
PostPosted: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 18:10:45 UTC 
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outermeasure wrote:
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outermeasure wrote:
Shadow wrote:
I think I understand, when I integrate that step I get exactly my sum, and the integral of 1+f is easy to calculate, and this gives me one direction, Perhaps I do the ceiling function to get the other bound, since I think that is just a shifted sum?


Essentially, the step and step+1 giving you control over f from below and above, which you use to get the lower and upper bounds on the integral of f --- the sum and sum+|mu|.


Ah wait a second though, the integral of $\lfloor f\rfloor\, is the sum of n\mu(\{n\le f<n\}), so I think I still don't see how this relates, because it's not the full set of f\ge n and if it were, then it the sum in question would be $\sum n\mu(\{f\ge n\}) which is not (obviously) equivalent to the convergence of the sum $\sum \mu(\{f\ge n\}), although one direction is trivial.


Oops, I thought the sum was from n=1. The effect of starting at n=0 is that it is the integral of 1+\lfloor f\rfloor instead.

\begin{aligned}
\sum_{n=0}^\infty \mu\{f\geq n\}
&=\sum_{n=0}^\infty\sum_{r=n}^\infty\mu\{r\leq f<r+1\}\\
&=\sum_{r=0}^\infty\sum_{n=0}^r \mu\{r\leq f<r+1\}\\
&=\sum_{r=0}^\infty (r+1)\mu\{\lfloor\floor r\rfloor=r\}
\end{aligned}



I suppose that last sum should be: $\sum_{r=0}^\infty (r+1) \mu(\{\lfloor f\rfloor = r\})?

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 Post subject: Re: L^1 versus level set measure
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I suppose that last sum should be: $\sum_{r=0}^\infty (r+1) \mu(\{\lfloor f\rfloor = r\})?


Yes.

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\begin{aligned}
Spin(1)&=O(1)=\mathbb{Z}/2&\quad&\text{and}\\
Spin(2)&=U(1)=SO(2)&&\text{are obvious}\\
Spin(3)&=Sp(1)=SU(2)&&\text{by }q\mapsto(\mathop{\mathrm{Im}}\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto qp\bar{q})\\
Spin(4)&=Sp(1)\times Sp(1)&&\text{by }(q_1,q_2)\mapsto(\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto q_1p\bar{q_2})\\
Spin(5)&=Sp(2)&&\text{by }\mathbb{HP}^1\cong S^4_{round}\hookrightarrow\mathbb{R}^5\\
Spin(6)&=SU(4)&&\text{by the irrep }\Lambda_+\mathbb{C}^4
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 Post subject: Re: L^1 versus level set measure
PostPosted: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 19:08:47 UTC 
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