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 Post subject: Vector fields on projective space
PostPosted: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 03:20:10 UTC 
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Question (Milnor/Stasheff again) is to prove that if n+1=2^rm with m odd. then there do not exists 2^r vector fields on projcetive space \mathbb{R}P^n which are everywhere linearly independent.

During the chapter we have showed that for n+1=2^rm the Stiefel-Whitney class is not equal to 1, and I want to use this somehow (this also gives it is not parallelizable) A manifold of dimension n is parallelizable iff there are n \quad (=2^rm-1) vector fields which are everywhere linearly independent. So immediately we have there are not 2^rm-1 vector fields which are everywhere linearly independent.

Any hints on how to proceed?


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 Post subject: Re: Vector fields on projective space
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qwirk wrote:
Question (Milnor/Stasheff again) is to prove that if n+1=2^rm with m odd. then there do not exists 2^r vector fields on projcetive space \mathbb{R}P^n which are everywhere linearly independent.

During the chapter we have showed that for n+1=2^rm the Stiefel-Whitney class is not equal to 1, and I want to use this somehow (this also gives it is not parallelizable) A manifold of dimension n is parallelizable iff there are n \quad (=2^rm-1) vector fields which are everywhere linearly independent. So immediately we have there are not 2^rm-1 vector fields which are everywhere linearly independent.

Any hints on how to proceed?


I assume you know the interpretation of Steifel-Whitney class w_i(M) as the (mod-2) obstruction to constructing n-i+1 linearly independent tangent vector fields to M on the i-th skeleton?

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\begin{aligned}
Spin(1)&=O(1)=\mathbb{Z}/2&\quad&\text{and}\\
Spin(2)&=U(1)=SO(2)&&\text{are obvious}\\
Spin(3)&=Sp(1)=SU(2)&&\text{by }q\mapsto(\mathop{\mathrm{Im}}\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto qp\bar{q})\\
Spin(4)&=Sp(1)\times Sp(1)&&\text{by }(q_1,q_2)\mapsto(\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto q_1p\bar{q_2})\\
Spin(5)&=Sp(2)&&\text{by }\mathbb{HP}^1\cong S^4_{round}\hookrightarrow\mathbb{R}^5\\
Spin(6)&=SU(4)&&\text{by the irrep }\Lambda_+\mathbb{C}^4
\end{aligned}


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No, they don't really talk about the concept of an 'obstruction' until later.

(I know that if the bundle \xi posses k cross-sections which are nowhere linearly independent then the last k Stiefel-Whitney classes are zero. )

I looked it up on mathworld and it says the i-th Stiefel-Whitney class being nonzero implies that there do not exist (n-i+1) everywhere linearly independent vector fields

Thus n-i+1=2^r gives i=2^r(m-1).

Thus it suffices to show that the i-th Stiefel Whitney class is non-zero, which implies the binomial coefficient is non-zero, so the question reduces to the fact that

\binom{2^rm}{2^r(m-1)} \equiv 1 (\text{mod} 2)

Is this correct? (In which case, I will try harder to prove the binomial identity - it eluded my brief attempts - no spoilers if that is the case please!)


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qwirk wrote:
No, they don't really talk about the concept of an 'obstruction' until later.

(I know that if the bundle \xi posses k cross-sections which are nowhere linearly independent then the last k Stiefel-Whitney classes are zero. )

I looked it up on mathworld and it says the i-th Stiefel-Whitney class being nonzero implies that there do not exist (n-i+1) everywhere linearly independent vector fields

Thus n-i+1=2^r gives i=2^r(m-1).

Thus it suffices to show that the i-th Stiefel Whitney class is non-zero, which implies the binomial coefficient is non-zero, so the question reduces to the fact that

\binom{2^rm}{2^r(m-1)} \equiv 1 (\text{mod} 2)

Is this correct? (In which case, I will try harder to prove the binomial identity - it eluded my brief attempts - no spoilers if that is the case please!)


Yes. Note that you don't need the (m-1) since \displaystyle\binom{2^rm}{2^r(m-1)}=\binom{2^rm}{2^r}.

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\begin{aligned}
Spin(1)&=O(1)=\mathbb{Z}/2&\quad&\text{and}\\
Spin(2)&=U(1)=SO(2)&&\text{are obvious}\\
Spin(3)&=Sp(1)=SU(2)&&\text{by }q\mapsto(\mathop{\mathrm{Im}}\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto qp\bar{q})\\
Spin(4)&=Sp(1)\times Sp(1)&&\text{by }(q_1,q_2)\mapsto(\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto q_1p\bar{q_2})\\
Spin(5)&=Sp(2)&&\text{by }\mathbb{HP}^1\cong S^4_{round}\hookrightarrow\mathbb{R}^5\\
Spin(6)&=SU(4)&&\text{by the irrep }\Lambda_+\mathbb{C}^4
\end{aligned}


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Ahh thanks. I managed to prove it using Lucas' theorem using the base-2 expansion, in which case there is only one non-zero term. (Is there an easier/alternative way? I was trying to prove by induction, but it was a bit of a mess)


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qwirk wrote:
Ahh thanks. I managed to prove it using Lucas' theorem using the base-2 expansion, in which case there is only one non-zero term. (Is there an easier/alternative way? I was trying to prove by induction, but it was a bit of a mess)


You could prove it directly: Pairing up 2^r(m-1)+k with k in
\displaystyle
\binom{2^rm}{2^r}=\dfrac{(2^rm)(2^rm-1)\cdots(2^r(m-1)+1)}{(2^r)(2^r-1)\cdots(1)}
and note that the powers of 2 cancel exactly.

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\begin{aligned}
Spin(1)&=O(1)=\mathbb{Z}/2&\quad&\text{and}\\
Spin(2)&=U(1)=SO(2)&&\text{are obvious}\\
Spin(3)&=Sp(1)=SU(2)&&\text{by }q\mapsto(\mathop{\mathrm{Im}}\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto qp\bar{q})\\
Spin(4)&=Sp(1)\times Sp(1)&&\text{by }(q_1,q_2)\mapsto(\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto q_1p\bar{q_2})\\
Spin(5)&=Sp(2)&&\text{by }\mathbb{HP}^1\cong S^4_{round}\hookrightarrow\mathbb{R}^5\\
Spin(6)&=SU(4)&&\text{by the irrep }\Lambda_+\mathbb{C}^4
\end{aligned}


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Because

\displaystyle \frac{2^r(m-1)+k}{k} \equiv 1 (\text{mod} 2) for m odd?


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qwirk wrote:
Because

\displaystyle \frac{2^r(m-1)+k}{k} \equiv 1 (\text{mod} 2) for m odd?


That need not be an integer...

Rather, note that 1\leq k\leq 2^r, so whichever power of 2 that divides k must not exceed 2^r and hence will also divide 2^r(m-1)+k, and vice versa.

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\begin{aligned}
Spin(1)&=O(1)=\mathbb{Z}/2&\quad&\text{and}\\
Spin(2)&=U(1)=SO(2)&&\text{are obvious}\\
Spin(3)&=Sp(1)=SU(2)&&\text{by }q\mapsto(\mathop{\mathrm{Im}}\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto qp\bar{q})\\
Spin(4)&=Sp(1)\times Sp(1)&&\text{by }(q_1,q_2)\mapsto(\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto q_1p\bar{q_2})\\
Spin(5)&=Sp(2)&&\text{by }\mathbb{HP}^1\cong S^4_{round}\hookrightarrow\mathbb{R}^5\\
Spin(6)&=SU(4)&&\text{by the irrep }\Lambda_+\mathbb{C}^4
\end{aligned}


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