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 Post subject: Prove a unit speed curve is a helix...
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Prove a unit speed curve α(s) with k <> 0 is a helix if and only if there is a constant c such that τ=ck.


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Prove a unit speed curve α(s) with k <> 0 is a helix if and only if there is a constant c such that τ=ck.


What is your definition of a helix? I've never heard that as a technical term before.

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Prove a unit speed curve α(s) with k <> 0 is a helix if and only if there is a constant c such that τ=ck.


What is your definition of a helix? I've never heard that as a technical term before.


A helix is a curve in 3-dimensional space. The following parametrization in Cartesian coordinates defines a helix:

x(t) = cos(t),
y(t) = sin(t),
z(t) = t.


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Prove a unit speed curve α(s) with k <> 0 is a helix if and only if there is a constant c such that τ=ck.


What is your definition of a helix? I've never heard that as a technical term before.


A helix is a curve in 3-dimensional space. The following parametrization in Cartesian coordinates defines a helix:

x(t) = cos(t),
y(t) = sin(t),
z(t) = t.


OK, then what is \tau? and what do you mean by k<>0?

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dammahom59 wrote:
Prove a unit speed curve α(s) with k <> 0 is a helix if and only if there is a constant c such that τ=ck.

Your question is too cryptic. You should define your symbols and how they relate to each other. Also "unit speed curve".


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Shadow wrote:
dammahom59 wrote:
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dammahom59 wrote:
Prove a unit speed curve α(s) with k <> 0 is a helix if and only if there is a constant c such that τ=ck.


What is your definition of a helix? I've never heard that as a technical term before.


A helix is a curve in 3-dimensional space. The following parametrization in Cartesian coordinates defines a helix:

x(t) = cos(t),
y(t) = sin(t),
z(t) = t.


OK, then what is \tau? and what do you mean by k<>0?


I suspect dammahom59 meant \kappa\neq 0 and \tau, the curvature and torsion. In which case, it follows immediately from the Frenet-Serret formula and uniqueness of solutions, remembering a characterisation of helix is a space curve with a constant direction orthogonal to the principal normal vector (exercise: prove this characterisation from the usual definition that a helix is a space curve where the tangent vector makes a constant angle to a fixed direction).

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\begin{aligned}
Spin(1)&=O(1)=\mathbb{Z}/2&\quad&\text{and}\\
Spin(2)&=U(1)=SO(2)&&\text{are obvious}\\
Spin(3)&=Sp(1)=SU(2)&&\text{by }q\mapsto(\mathop{\mathrm{Im}}\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto qp\bar{q})\\
Spin(4)&=Sp(1)\times Sp(1)&&\text{by }(q_1,q_2)\mapsto(\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto q_1p\bar{q_2})\\
Spin(5)&=Sp(2)&&\text{by }\mathbb{HP}^1\cong S^4_{round}\hookrightarrow\mathbb{R}^5\\
Spin(6)&=SU(4)&&\text{by the irrep }\Lambda_+\mathbb{C}^4
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 Post subject: Re: Prove a unit speed curve is a helix...
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outermeasure wrote:
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dammahom59 wrote:
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dammahom59 wrote:
Prove a unit speed curve α(s) with k <> 0 is a helix if and only if there is a constant c such that τ=ck.


What is your definition of a helix? I've never heard that as a technical term before.


A helix is a curve in 3-dimensional space. The following parametrization in Cartesian coordinates defines a helix:

x(t) = cos(t),
y(t) = sin(t),
z(t) = t.


OK, then what is \tau? and what do you mean by k<>0?


I suspect dammahom59 meant \kappa\neq 0 and \tau, the curvature and torsion. In which case, it follows immediately from the Frenet-Serret formula and uniqueness of solutions, remembering a characterisation of helix is a space curve with a constant direction
orthogonal to the principal normal vector (exercise: prove this characterisation from the usual definition that a helix is a space curve where the tangent vector makes a constant angle to a fixed direction).


Yes, that is exactly what I meant, thank you.


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