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PostPosted: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:43:43 UTC 
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Find the all real x,y such that 16^(x^2+y)+ 16^(y^2+x) =1


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Find the all real x,y such that 16^(x^2+y)+ 16^(y^2+x) =1


(x,y)=(-1/2,-1/2) is the only solution.

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\begin{aligned}
Spin(1)&=O(1)=\mathbb{Z}/2&\quad&\text{and}\\
Spin(2)&=U(1)=SO(2)&&\text{are obvious}\\
Spin(3)&=Sp(1)=SU(2)&&\text{by }q\mapsto(\mathop{\mathrm{Im}}\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto qp\bar{q})\\
Spin(4)&=Sp(1)\times Sp(1)&&\text{by }(q_1,q_2)\mapsto(\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto q_1p\bar{q_2})\\
Spin(5)&=Sp(2)&&\text{by }\mathbb{HP}^1\cong S^4_{round}\hookrightarrow\mathbb{R}^5\\
Spin(6)&=SU(4)&&\text{by the irrep }\Lambda_+\mathbb{C}^4
\end{aligned}


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Hello, vijay1729!

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\text{Find the all real }x,y\text{ such that: }\:16^{x^2+y}+ 16^{y^2+x} \:=\:1

\text{Due to the symmetry of the }x\text{'s and }y\text{'s (they are interchangeable),}
. . \text{we can conclude that }\,x = y.

\text{and we have: }\:2\cdot16^{x^2+x} \:=\:1\quad\Rightarrow\quad 2\cdot (2^4)^{x^2+x} \:=\:1

. . . . . . . . . . .2\cdot2^{4x^2+4x} \:=\:1 \quad\Rightarrow\quad 2^{4x^2 + 4x+1} \:=\:2^0


\text{Hence: }\:4x^2 + 4x + 1 \:=\:0 \quad\Rightarrow\quad (2x+1)^2 \:=\:0 \quad\Rightarrow\quad x \:=\:\text{-}\frac{1}{2}

\text{Therefore: }\:(x,y) \;=\;\left(\text{-}\frac{1}{2},\:\text{-}\frac{1}{2}\right)



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 Post subject: Re: find
PostPosted: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:56:12 UTC 
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Soroban wrote:
Hello, vijay1729!

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\text{Find the all real }x,y\text{ such that: }\:16^{x^2+y}+ 16^{y^2+x} \:=\:1

\text{Due to the symmetry of the }x\text{'s and }y\text{'s (they are interchangeable),}
. . \text{we can conclude that }\,x = y.

\text{and we have: }\:2\cdot16^{x^2+x} \:=\:1\quad\Rightarrow\quad 2\cdot (2^4)^{x^2+x} \:=\:1

. . . . . . . . . . .2\cdot2^{4x^2+4x} \:=\:1 \quad\Rightarrow\quad 2^{4x^2 + 4x+1} \:=\:2^0


\text{Hence: }\:4x^2 + 4x + 1 \:=\:0 \quad\Rightarrow\quad (2x+1)^2 \:=\:0 \quad\Rightarrow\quad x \:=\:\text{-}\frac{1}{2}

\text{Therefore: }\:(x,y) \;=\;\left(\text{-}\frac{1}{2},\:\text{-}\frac{1}{2}\right)



No! You can't conclude x=y just because the LHS is symmetric in x and y. For example, the same LHS but with RHS=32 obviously has solution that breaks the symmetry (x,y)=(0,1) or (1,0).

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\begin{aligned}
Spin(1)&=O(1)=\mathbb{Z}/2&\quad&\text{and}\\
Spin(2)&=U(1)=SO(2)&&\text{are obvious}\\
Spin(3)&=Sp(1)=SU(2)&&\text{by }q\mapsto(\mathop{\mathrm{Im}}\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto qp\bar{q})\\
Spin(4)&=Sp(1)\times Sp(1)&&\text{by }(q_1,q_2)\mapsto(\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto q_1p\bar{q_2})\\
Spin(5)&=Sp(2)&&\text{by }\mathbb{HP}^1\cong S^4_{round}\hookrightarrow\mathbb{R}^5\\
Spin(6)&=SU(4)&&\text{by the irrep }\Lambda_+\mathbb{C}^4
\end{aligned}


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yes If the equation is symmetric in x,y then one of the solution is x=y some times this cant be solution also, so we cannot conclude that x=y with out proper argument, If we prove that there is no solution in x>y or x<y i think we can conclude x=y=-1/2 is the only solution.



any body solved please post here.



i want know how to solve this problem.


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vijay1729 wrote:
yes If the equation is symmetric in x,y then one of the solution is x=y some times this cant be solution also, so we cannot conclude that x=y with out proper argument, If we prove that there is no solution in x>y or x<y i think we can conclude x=y=-1/2 is the only solution.



any body solved please post here.



i want know how to solve this problem.


I don't want to deny you the pleasure of solving it yourself, so I'll just erect pointers.

Let f(x)=2^x, g(x,y)=f(4x^2+4y)+f(4y^2+4x). We want to solve g(x,y)=1.

Since f is nonnegative convex and turns addition to multiplication, with f((x-y)^2)>0 unless x=y, we have g(x,y)\geqslant g(\frac{x+y}{2},\frac{x+y}{2}), with equality if and only if x=y.

Now what is g(z,z)?

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\begin{aligned}
Spin(1)&=O(1)=\mathbb{Z}/2&\quad&\text{and}\\
Spin(2)&=U(1)=SO(2)&&\text{are obvious}\\
Spin(3)&=Sp(1)=SU(2)&&\text{by }q\mapsto(\mathop{\mathrm{Im}}\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto qp\bar{q})\\
Spin(4)&=Sp(1)\times Sp(1)&&\text{by }(q_1,q_2)\mapsto(\mathbb{H}\ni p\mapsto q_1p\bar{q_2})\\
Spin(5)&=Sp(2)&&\text{by }\mathbb{HP}^1\cong S^4_{round}\hookrightarrow\mathbb{R}^5\\
Spin(6)&=SU(4)&&\text{by the irrep }\Lambda_+\mathbb{C}^4
\end{aligned}


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